You nailed it. What he seems to be claiming is that “animals ought not to suffer” or that “it would be immoral for there to be suffering in a world with God.” But he has to presuppose an objective morality to make his argument. In other words, he has to presuppose a theistic world to argue against it. It’s self defeating. Francis Schaefer called this something like “leaping to the upper story” where atheists borrow from the Christian worldview while denying it. Good work, brother.
Thank you so much Jacob! I have learned a lot from an Apologist named Frank Turek and his podcast "I don't have enough faith to be an Athiest". He will sometimes reference one of his books "Stealing from God" where he dives deeply into that topic you mentioned.
You nailed it. What he seems to be claiming is that “animals ought not to suffer” or that “it would be immoral for there to be suffering in a world with God.” But he has to presuppose an objective morality to make his argument. In other words, he has to presuppose a theistic world to argue against it. It’s self defeating. Francis Schaefer called this something like “leaping to the upper story” where atheists borrow from the Christian worldview while denying it. Good work, brother.
Thank you so much Jacob! I have learned a lot from an Apologist named Frank Turek and his podcast "I don't have enough faith to be an Athiest". He will sometimes reference one of his books "Stealing from God" where he dives deeply into that topic you mentioned.